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Nancy - Posted - 02/17/2011:  06:10:41


Radio frequency identification has been heralded as a breakthrough in tracking technology, and denounced as the next Big Brother surveillance tool.

RFID sounds futuristic: A transmitter smaller than a dime embedded in everything from a T-shirt to human skin, communicating data over a short distance to a reading device.

The technology has been around for decades -- the British used it to identify aircraft as friend or foe during World War II, and factory warehouses have used it more recently to make shipping more efficient.


During a conversation at the table, this was discussed. Seems the device is implanted in about everything we buy. It is now the size of a period....no bigger. It was discussed that it is imbedded in our money, our clothes, and whatever we use.

Also said that the device to read the RFID can be used to add up a whole cart of groceries without removing them from the cart, and give the cost.

This was said to take the place of the bar codes. It reads faster. There is no escape from this little *period* that reads whatever it is programed to read.

Do any of you have any info on this RFID?

Keep in mind that this was discussed amoung folks at the table, and nobody knew for sure much about it. I don't. Do you?

Nancy - Posted - 02/17/2011:  06:19:26





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Nancy - Posted - 02/17/2011:  06:24:04


RFID Chips Are Here
Scott Granneman, 2003-06-26

RFID chips are being embedded in everything from jeans to paper money, and your privacy is at stake.




“ Right now, you can buy a hammer, a pair of jeans, or a razor blade with anonymity. With RFID tags, that may be a thing of the past. ”

Bar codes are something most of us never think about. We go to the grocery store to buy dog food, the checkout person runs our selection over the scanner, there's an audible beep or boop, and then we're told how much money we owe. Bar codes in that sense are an invisible technology that we see all the time, but without thinking about what's in front of our eyes.

Bar codes have been with us so long, and they're so ubiquitous, that its hard to remember that they're a relatively new technology that took a while to catch on. The patent for bar codes was issued in 1952. It took twenty years before a standard for bar codes was approved, but they still didn't catch on. Ten years later, only 15,000 suppliers were using bar codes. That changed in 1984. By 1987 - only three years later! - 75,000 suppliers were using bar codes. That's one heck of a growth curve.

So what changed in 1984? Who, or what, caused the change?

Wal-Mart.

When Wal-Mart talks, suppliers listen. So when Wal-Mart said that it wanted to use bar codes as a better way to manage inventory, bar codes became de rigeur. If you didn't use bar codes, you lost Wal-Mart's business. That's a death knell for most of their suppliers.

The same thing is happening today. I'm here to tell you that the bar code's days are numbered. There's a new technology in town, one that at first blush might seem insignificant to security professionals, but it's a technology that is going to be a big part of our future. And how do I know this? Pin it on Wal-Mart again; they're the big push behind this new technology.

So what is it? RFID tags.
securityfocus.com/columnists/169

Tom Robison - Posted - 02/17/2011:  06:27:25


Isn't the current term for RFID called a cellphone? Seems they are ubiquitous.

Tom

Trewq36 - Posted - 02/17/2011:  06:29:49


I Know that Walmat has been using them. Started with a test on lip stick back in 2003..

rfidjournal.com/article/articl.../654/1/1/

Now they are putting them in your underwear...And a number of concerns have been raised by various groups. Such as:

quote:
Some privacy advocates hypothesize that unscrupulous marketers or criminals will be able to drive by consumers' homes and scan their garbage to discover what they have recently bought.



Never Play the Same Thing Once....yoR


Nancy - Posted - 02/17/2011:  06:29:53


From what I have read, privacy is vanished.

These tiny periods can read how much money you have...and some are using more distance than others.

I don't know. This is a new thing. Not a lot of us fully understand it's ramifications.

Nancy - Posted - 02/17/2011:  06:35:27


Someone said that the Chinese have these little *periods* in everything.

This is a new thing to me. I donno.

Is this a possible way to hide those secret Swiss bank accounts?

Okay, so I have a big imagination, and it works overtime.

Nancy - Posted - 02/17/2011:  06:39:07


RFID 101

Invented in 1969 and patented in 1973, but only now becoming commercially and technologically viable, RFID tags are essentially microchips, the tinier the better. Some are only 1/3 of a millimeter across. These chips act as transponders (transmitters/responders), always listening for a radio signal sent by transceivers, or RFID readers. When a transponder receives a certain radio query, it responds by transmitting its unique ID code, perhaps a 128-bit number, back to the transceiver. Most RFID tags don't have batteries (How could they? They're 1/3 of a millimeter!). Instead, they are powered by the radio signal that wakes them up and requests an answer.

Most of these "broadcasts" are designed to be read between a few inches and several feet away, depending on the size of the antenna and the power driving the RFID tags (some are in fact powered by batteries, but due to the increased size and cost, they are not as common as the passive, non-battery-powered models). However, it is possible to increase that distance if you build a more sensitive RFID receiver.

RFID chips cost up to 50 cents, but prices are dropping. Once they get to 5 cents each, it will be cost-efficient to put RFID tags in almost anything that costs more than a dollar.

Who's using RFID?

RFID is already in use all around us. Ever chipped your pet dog or cat with an ID tag? Or used an EZPass through a toll booth? Or paid for gas using ExxonMobils' SpeedPass? Then you've used RFID.

Some uses, especially those related to security, seem like a great idea. For instance, Delta is testing RFID on some flights, tagging 40,000 customer bags in order to reduce baggage loss and make it easier to route bags if customers change their flight plans.

Three seaport operators - who account for 70% of the world's port operations - agreed to deploy RFID tags to track the 17,000 containers that arrive each day at US ports. Currently, less than 2% are inspected. RFID tags will be used to track the containers and the employees handling them.

The United States Department of Defense is moving into RFID in order to trace military supply shipments. During the first Gulf War, the DOD made mistakes in its supply allocation. To streamline operations, the U.S. military has placed RFID tags on 270,000 cargo containers and tracks those shipments throughout 40 countries.

On a smaller level, but one that will instantly resonate with security pros, Star City Casino in Sydney, Australia placed RFID tags in 80,000 employee uniforms in order to put a stop to theft. The same idea would work well in corporate PCs, networking equipment, and handhelds.
securityfocus.com/columnists/169

mike gregory - Posted - 02/17/2011:  07:59:59


IF in fact, these dots will be able to total up the stuff without taking it out of the cart, will they read the dots embedded in the stuff we bought earlier, which is in our pockets, and charge us again for that?

Will they be embedded deeply enough that shoplifters won't be able to peel them off?

And, yes, privacy no longer exists.

The idea of the dots doesn't bother me as much as the idea that the microchips that run our MILITARY hardware are not made in the U.S.of A.
How do we know that the people making them, aren't adding a little OFF switch?
Then when they're ready to attack, somebody pushes one button, and vehicles with electronic ignition won't start, radios and radars won't work, missle guidance systems will be re-routed to NANCY's house, and so forth.

fivebranch - Posted - 02/17/2011:  08:40:27


Best thing to do is hide in plain site. Buy all the stuff with the tracking devices and put them in your neighbor's trash. Toss your cell phone say it got stolen get a new one use it a while toss it and. Well you see you have to be ahead of the game. Wear tin/aluminum hats while at home put up copper screens on the windows buy a lot of old lead weights from fishing stores or garage sales hammer into sheets and line your walls with the sheets. Cut all incoming copper or fiber in your home. Go off the grid make your own electricity. Grow a garden and find a water well or stream. More or less go into survivualist mode. Or just go with the flow and don't worry about it. I choose to be lazy.
Oh incase big brother is monitoring this I was the one on the grassy knoll.


Edited by - fivebranch on 02/17/2011 08:41:40

bikebum - Posted - 02/17/2011:  09:00:24


Don't forget to line your wallet with foil.
Or buy one that already has it.

R Buck - Posted - 02/17/2011:  09:12:04


You are all on track but we are totally screwed by the system today. The best has yet to come.

Nancy - Posted - 02/17/2011:  11:37:58


These 'reader machines' by these tiny periods can see how much money you have. You have no defense against this invasion of privacy. None.


Edited by - Nancy on 02/17/2011 11:44:46

GarlicBreath - Posted - 02/17/2011:  13:36:43


I refuse to use those "self check outs" because they always ALWAYS try to charge for the same item multiple times. I drew the line years ago and I will ONLY buy from a human being.

The RFIDs still have to have some way to interact with an electromagnetic field, and at a fairly low freq so while the device may be the size of a period, (which is generally not the case) they still need an antenna. That makes the total size bigger. They are not that hard to spot.

You can shield things by wrapping in, yes, aluminum foil, putting in a little metal tin, etc.

Cell phones are indeed the modern tracking device and the most insidious is the free cell phone plan for homeless/destitute people in many states in the US (not in California so far) what a great way to find those hidden encampments of ex-schoolteachers, plumbers, truck drivers, workers of all types who have become "no longer viable" and sending in the troops with flamethrowers.

Paranoia doesn't cost, it pays!

sideways - Posted - 02/17/2011:  14:03:30


Don't worry, the EMP Device with knock the RFID chip.

mullie1 - Posted - 02/17/2011:  14:04:20


Paranoia?! I think not!



   

GarlicBreath - Posted - 02/17/2011:  14:52:08


You can disable RFIDs by taking them out and crushing them, etc., or cook in the microwave.

It's not that hard to build an EMP device that will take out stuff close to you, I've thought of building one for years to take out cell phones.

One of the best solutions is the one being forced on millions each year: Buy stuff no one cares about like eggs and bread, buy clothes 2nd-hand, give up the cell phone (because you can't afford it) and adopt an almost Amish lifestyle.

Sultans of Claw - Posted - 02/17/2011:  16:04:10


quote:
Originally posted by GarlicBreath

It's not that hard to build an EMP device that will take out stuff close to you, I've thought of building one for years to take out cell phones.



I'd like to have a schematic for that.

GarlicBreath - Posted - 02/17/2011:  17:14:08


Well, basically, if you can charge up a capacitor, and then dump the charge into a resonant circuit with a spark gap for wide range, or a diode optimized for the 2.4GHz band, standard microwave diode oscillator, you should get a strong RF pulse in the near vicinity of the device.

There may be "cell phone jammer" schematics or plans on the net, I certainly hope so.

But basically you just want a pulse if you want to blow out the "front end" of the cell phone. If you just want to jam one, just about any good strong noise source should do it, a friend says he rigged up a little motor with a battery, set to make/break its own power from the battery, and it did a pretty good job of messing up nearby cell phones.

Micki - Posted - 02/17/2011:  21:54:50


This is used in the health care system a lot. for example, people with als, like gordon, as long as there is one nerve ending in their body anywhere that is anyways operatable. a tiny chip is attached to a headband around their head and as long as they can sit or lay near a computer or such, the chip reads their mind and can tell the computer and it will do for them what they are not able to do. It follows the commands or ideas in his head. Now some like augie Nieto can actually handle their companies theirselves thru this technology, even though the chip is all they have to do it for them. Micki

Trewq36 - Posted - 02/18/2011:  03:45:03


Like all tools they can be used for Good or Bad.
A hammer can drive a nail or bash your thumb. Seems that we're bashing our thumbs more and more.

mike gregory - Posted - 02/18/2011:  05:46:30


quote:
Originally posted by Trewq36

Like all tools they can be used for Good or Bad.
A hammer can drive a nail or bash your thumb. Seems that we're bashing our thumbs more and more.



I recall seeing several old black & white cowboy movies, where somebody is tacking up a WANTED poster by using the butt of a pistol as a hammer.
And we've had a few cases around here, over the years, of people using a hammer as a weapon, to injure or kill.

So, yeah, you're absolutely correct about tools and choices.

Tools are neutral, choices are made, consequences follow.

fred davis - Posted - 02/18/2011:  19:18:40


Why they can look into your back yard from space!, trace the cell phone calls scan your bank account, trace where you bought things now we are told not to buy books but add and scan them to are lap computer don't buy music but scan it and than there is Know paper trail. And guess what they can shut if off at will. there was a book when I was young called 1986? that talked abou this and Now and Now. Remember this is a country of the people by the people and for the people that I and my parents fought for and I will bet that this post is closed!!!!!!!!

CurtissWhite - Posted - 02/19/2011:  20:42:24


I hope SOMEBODY'S tracking me. Someday they may help me make good sense of it all.

Pete13 - Posted - 02/20/2011:  05:18:42


If they're tracking me, they'll mostly be really bored.
"Paranoia strikes deep, into your mind it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid. Step out of line, the man come, and take you away."
To some people, everything is a part of some giant evil conspiracy against them. Never understood or accepted that form of logic.

Nancy - Posted - 02/20/2011:  14:13:36


quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory

IF in fact, these dots will be able to total up the stuff without taking it out of the cart, will they read the dots embedded in the stuff we bought earlier, which is in our pockets, and charge us again for that?

Will they be embedded deeply enough that shoplifters won't be able to peel them off?

And, yes, privacy no longer exists.

The idea of the dots doesn't bother me as much as the idea that the microchips that run our MILITARY hardware are not made in the U.S.of A.
How do we know that the people making them, aren't adding a little OFF switch?
Then when they're ready to attack, somebody pushes one button, and vehicles with electronic ignition won't start, radios and radars won't work, missle guidance systems will be re-routed to NANCY's house, and so forth.



Ye gads. I don't have room here for such things. I got a small cabin.

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