cindyg - Posted - 03/29/2016:  05:45:48

Hello, all,

I have been playing clawhammer for about a year now, learning through the kind generosity of youtube/internet teachers, thank you all so much. However, only recently did I stumble on Dwight Diller and have been totally ignited - playing from the inside out! That's the missing link. Not to make it sound trivial but I've spent so much time and effort on the learning side that I've missed out on the soul baring playing side. All the notes in the world don't add up to playing with feeling. Anyways, so, went to Mr. Diller's website and downloaded his tab book with stories (great history for a girl from Canada) and I have also been searching for the tab documented by Gordon Banks but all links lead nowhere. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Thanks. 😊

Edited by - cindyg on 03/29/2016 08:40:48

janolov - Posted - 03/29/2016:  08:52:04

Here are some Gordon Banks tabs: dwightdiller.com/tab2.html">web.archive.org/web/20080201013004/dwightdiller.com/tab2.html

cindyg - Posted - 03/29/2016:  08:53:38

Thanks, Jan.

cindyg - Posted - 03/29/2016:  09:18:14

Hi, Jan - what a fabulous resource. Will be spending days here. Thanks again!

RollAway - Posted - 03/29/2016:  09:37:16

This is great! Thanks For the question Cindyq and big thanks for the link Janolov.

Diller's tabs always provide an interesting interpretation of some standards.

janolov - Posted - 03/29/2016:  09:40:40

I think there are some tabs here too: dwightdiller.com/tab3.html">web.archive.org/web/20080201013011/dwightdiller.com/tab3.html

Both have been at Dwight Diller's site, but he removed them for some reason.The webarchive.org (Wayback Machine) contains old backups from different sites. Fore example, here are some old backups from BanjoHangout.org:banjohangout.org">web.archive.org/web/20040715000000*/banjohangout.org

OldPappy - Posted - 03/29/2016:  09:44:37

If you only recently discovered Dwight you may be interested in this:

Dwight has recently created two sites on Bandcamp making many of his recordings available again as downloads.

Proceeds from one of the sites go to the Yew Pine Cultural Traditions non profit, this site has several of his older recordings available for download, and the other lists newer collections of previously recorded selections from some of his more polished releases with Dave Nemec.   

Dwight's recordings have been unavailable for many years, so this is a good opportunity. Originally there was a CD which came with the Tab Book. We have talked about placing that CD onto one of the bandcamp sites, but I don't know if that has happened yet. Gail Hatton recently passed away, and she was the one uploading material to the sites.

dwightdiller.bandcamp.com/albu...d-rooster  

dwightdilleranddavidnemec.bandcamp.com

Edited by - OldPappy on 03/29/2016 09:46:09

cindyg - Posted - 03/29/2016:  10:11:05

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Originally posted by janolov

 

I think there are some tabs here too: dwightdiller.com/tab3.html">web.archive.org/web/20080201013011/dwightdiller.com/tab3.html

Both have been at Dwight Diller's site, but he removed them for some reason.The webarchive.org (Wayback Machine) contains old backups from different sites. Fore example, here are some old backups from BanjoHangout.org:banjohangout.org">web.archive.org/web/20040715000000*/banjohangout.org

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Hi, Jan,

Have been going through all the related pages. Wow, so much missing from Mr.DDiller's current website. 

Thanks for sharing. 😊

cindyg - Posted - 03/29/2016:  10:14:07

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Originally posted by OldPappy

 

If you only recently discovered Dwight you may be interested in this:

Dwight has recently created two sites on Bandcamp making many of his recordings available again as downloads.

Proceeds from one of the sites go to the Yew Pine Cultural Traditions non profit, this site has several of his older recordings available for download, and the other lists newer collections of previously recorded selections from some of his more polished releases with Dave Nemec.   

Dwight's recordings have been unavailable for many years, so this is a good opportunity. Originally there was a CD which came with the Tab Book. We have talked about placing that CD onto one of the bandcamp sites, but I don't know if that has happened yet. Gail Hatton recently passed away, and she was the one uploading material to the sites.

dwightdiller.bandcamp.com/albu...d-rooster  

dwightdilleranddavidnemec.bandcamp.com

 

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Thanks, Andy - will check out the links.I was first mesmerized by Mr. Diller's YouTube video of Kitchen Girl and just can't seem to get enough.

OldPappy - Posted - 03/29/2016:  10:21:19

There are some Youtube videos of him playing with Darin Gentry that are real good.

cindyg - Posted - 03/29/2016:  10:26:35

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Originally posted by OldPappy

 

There are some Youtube videos of him playing with Darin Gentry that are real good.

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Listening to Red Rooster now, will check out Mr. Diller's visit with Darin Gentry next. Thank you. ☺

dornan - Posted - 03/29/2016:  19:38:27

I have all the Gordon Banks tabs. If you want to email me your address I will happily photocopy and snail mail them to you.

cindyg - Posted - 03/30/2016:  04:34:45

Hi, dornan,

That's a really kind offer but I don't want to put you out at all. Right now I'm good with the material posted on the page link Jan provided above.

Unless you have a copy of Mr. Diller's Cumberland Gap...

☺

AndrewD - Posted - 03/30/2016:  05:46:50

I've got the original .TEF files from the Dwight Diller tab book around somewhere. Probably on an old computer. I'll see if I can find them and make them available.

tucsonsean - Posted - 03/30/2016:  08:02:04

I got the complete Banks' Dwight Diller Songbook at this site about ten years ago. Don't know if it still works, but you could try it:

pitt.edu/~gebanks/pers/tab/abc.html

janolov - Posted - 03/30/2016:  11:01:42

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Originally posted by tucsonsean

 

I got the complete Banks' Dwight Diller Songbook at this site about ten years ago. Don't know if it still works, but you could try it:



pitt.edu/~gebanks/pers/tab/abc.html

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The link does not work.

I tried to search backups in the webarchive.org (Wayback Machine) and I got only a few hits which was identical with the tabs in my first posted link ( dwightdiller.com/tab2.html" style="color: rgb(0, 34, 102); font-family: verdana, arial, san-serif; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245);" target="_blank">http://web.archive.org/web/20080201013004/dwightdiller.com/tab2.html)

cindyg - Posted - 03/30/2016:  11:58:41

Hi, Sean,

I also tried the pitt.edu site..several times, from several different sources. Seems to be the last place Mr. Diller's documented tab in its entirety was made available. No longer tho. 😟

cindyg - Posted - 03/30/2016:  12:13:43

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Originally posted by AndrewD

 

I've got the original .TEF files from the Dwight Diller tab book around somewhere. Probably on an old computer. I'll see if I can find them and make them available.

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Nice! Thanks.

cindyg - Posted - 03/30/2016:  15:18:29

Hi all,

I've downloaded all the individual tablature from the page Jan provided the link for and created one pdf, if anyone is interested...no table of contents or cover page tho. At least all the tabs are in one document.

I would have attached it here but there doesn't seem to be the functionality.

Thanks everyone for your comments/suggestions.

AndrewD - Posted - 04/01/2016:  08:36:43

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Originally posted by AndrewD

 

I've got the original .TEF files from the Dwight Diller tab book around somewhere. Probably on an old computer. I'll see if I can find them and make them available.

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Looks like I can't attach a zip file of tefs to a post. If anybody wants them then message me. Already sent them to Cindy (OP).

OldPappy - Posted - 04/01/2016:  12:41:36

Thought I would offer some insight on "Both have been at Dwight Diller's site, but he removed them for some reason.".

Dwight has someone else manage his website, so he didn't remove them, but when he decided a few years ago to discontinue the large banjo camps he once had, several changes were made to his website relative to that change in status.

At that time some links which were no longer valid, such as the link to a now defunct site which used to sell his music CDs, and Tutorial DVDs were supposed to be removed, and I think the Gordon Banks site was not working at that time, so that was probably why it was removed.

I am surprised that link works from the archived site, but that is good news.

Dwight is not a proponent for learning from tablature, but he realizes a lot of people do use it, and keep asking for it, so when the Banks link was removed he placed his own excellent Tab book up on his site as a free download. That book is worth getting for just the pictures and commentary.

sellis - Posted - 04/04/2016:  13:08:20

I just discovered DD in the last few months even though I have been playing clawhammer for 52 years (self taught from the NLCR and the old recordings they learned from mostly). Like Dwight, I am no fan of tab, but tabledit is a different animal. When I went to one of the archive.org sites above (I think the one that landed on Feb 2008?) I was excited to see an index of many tunes, many with multiple versions, with a link to the tef file, the tuning(s), where it was played and who generated the tab(?). When I tried saving the page using firefox, however, it just saved the the archive.org stuff. Next I tried a wget of the url, but that only yielded the tab3.html file without the table or links. Next I tried simply clicking on a few of the tunes. Some loaded into tabledit and played, others could not be found by archive.org. Then I got into a loop where wayback would say we have a scrape of the site or tune but not on that date, then I would follow the prompts and wayback could not find it after all. I have sent a PM to AndrewD requesting the tefs he has, but if he does not have all/most of them it would be nice to get as many as possible. I have found in the last couple of years that wayback has been losing materials it used to have. Has anyone succeeded on downloading many/most of the tef files, preferably with all the tuning, etc., info that are on archive.org?

AndrewD - Posted - 04/04/2016:  13:26:39

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Originally posted by sellis

 

I just discovered DD in the last few months even though I have been playing clawhammer for 52 years (self taught from the NLCR and the old recordings they learned from mostly). Like Dwight, I am no fan of tab, but tabledit is a different animal. When I went to one of the archive.org sites above (I think the one that landed on Feb 2008?) I was excited to see an index of many tunes, many with multiple versions, with a link to the tef file, the tuning(s), where it was played and who generated the tab(?). When I tried saving the page using firefox, however, it just saved the the archive.org stuff. Next I tried a wget of the url, but that only yielded the tab3.html file without the table or links. Next I tried simply clicking on a few of the tunes. Some loaded into tabledit and played, others could not be found by archive.org. Then I got into a loop where wayback would say we have a scrape of the site or tune but not on that date, then I would follow the prompts and wayback could not find it after all. I have sent a PM to AndrewD requesting the tefs he has, but if he does not have all/most of them it would be nice to get as many as possible. I have found in the last couple of years that wayback has been losing materials it used to have. Has anyone succeeded on downloading many/most of the tef files, preferably with all the tuning, etc., info that are on archive.org?

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To be clear - The tabs I have are the ones I did for Dwight's book with Dwight's cooperation - not the ones produced independently by various of Dwight's students over the years. As the book is now a free download and anybody with the time available could re-transcribe the tabs into Tabledit there is no reason why I shouldn't let anybody have a copy. But these are still copyright and as it says at the end of the book "avoid indiscriminate reproduction that would violate copyright".  Which basically means - You can't use them for financial gain . If you pass them on include an acknowledgement acknowledge that the tabs are "From the playing of Dwight Diller".

Edited by - AndrewD on 04/04/2016 13:31:16

OldPappy - Posted - 04/05/2016:  06:05:09

Andrew,

Did you participate in one of the workshops Dwight had while in England? Wondering if it might have been when Dave Bing was with him.

I only recently met Dave when he participated in the Fiddler's Reunion in Elkins last October. Real good fiddler, and a real nice guy.

What was the real jewel for me at that event was sitting in the back hall while Diller, Bing, John Morris, and Ralph Roberts played with several other people. Two fiddler like Dave Bing and John Morris playing fiddle together was a rare treasure. 

AndrewD - Posted - 04/05/2016:  09:04:36

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Originally posted by OldPappy

 

Andrew,

Did you participate in one of the workshops Dwight had while in England? Wondering if it might have been when Dave Bing was with him.

I only recently met Dave when he participated in the Fiddler's Reunion in Elkins last October. Real good fiddler, and a real nice guy.

What was the real jewel for me at that event was sitting in the back hall while Diller, Bing, John Morris, and Ralph Roberts played with several other people. Two fiddler like Dave Bing and John Morris playing fiddle together was a rare treasure. 

 

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I went to all of Dwight's workshops here except the very first (maybe 5 or 6 years running ? 2000-2006 or thereabouts). Dave Bing was the fiddle instructor each time and they tried to teach the same tunes. The informal  evening concerts by Dwight and Dave, followed by beer and jamming (though only a small shandy  for Dwight) were the highlights. That's how I got together with Dave Dry and Stewart Seidel to put together the Dwight tab book.

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OldPappy - Posted - 04/05/2016:  10:33:46

One of my favorite tunes from the "In England" album is Dave's "Picked up A Hammer". Short little tune, but real good fiddling, and the lyrics give me a chuckle every time I listen to it.

CEParagon124 - Posted - 04/06/2016:  16:44:26

CindyQ, do you, by any chance, have Dwight's "Just Rhythm" lesson? It was originally on VHS and I assume it made it to DVD.

Also, a CD called "Just Banjo".

I haven't looked at the BandCamp website lately, so I don't know if any of that is available.

Charlie Noyes

cindyg - Posted - 04/06/2016:  18:41:36

Hello, Charles,

Thanks very much for the recommendations. I've been listening to Red Rooster and really enjoy it. The Bandcamp website also has Just Banjo 99. I'll check it out.

OldPappy - Posted - 04/07/2016:  09:57:45

Dwight has mentioned the possibility of eventually making some of his instructional material available again.

I suppose that will depend on whether there is much of a demand for it. The last release of these were on DVD.

I am not sure whether DVDs can be uploaded / downloaded from sites like bandcamp, and it takes money to produce, package, and mail physical DVDs.