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Jul 24, 2026 - 7:20:59 AM
289 posts since 4/14/2024

Been playing basic BG rhythm guitar now for almost a year. I have an all black Fender CD 60S which has been pretty good for learning on. I would like to find something similar but a little better but still all black (basically the Fender CD60S is a Martin D-18 knockoff) My first choice would be to have Martin make an all black D-18 but..well..you know..then theres the real world. I saw a Baton Rouge on Thomanns website for a good price but not really sure its much of an upgrade. Any suggestions would be helpful

Jul 24, 2026 - 7:49:38 AM

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Jul 24, 2026 - 9:44:43 AM

chuckv97

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Didn’t Johnny Cash play a black D-35 or was it a D-28 ?


 

Edited by - chuckv97 on 07/24/2026 09:46:43

Jul 24, 2026 - 10:24:14 AM
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9535 posts since 9/5/2006

most of his stuff was on the D 28 black and D 35 black ,,but he used a D 42 black also... among others. they custom made him a D35 and a custom D42.
the D 28 was the first black acoustic guitar martin made.. or so i was told.

Jul 27, 2026 - 6:18:09 AM

82263 posts since 5/9/2007

The "Man In Black" could probably have had any color he wanted.
Great reason for Johnny wearing black.

Jul 27, 2026 - 7:02:26 AM

406 posts since 2/7/2020

I'd look at a used Guild D-25 Black. New the Yamaha LL6 comes in black, as does the Eastman PCH2D.
 

Jul 27, 2026 - 3:56:40 PM
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3202 posts since 4/16/2003

I've owned many Martins over the years. Have too many now, I need to sell 'em off.

I also have Santa Cruz, Huss & Dalton, Webber.
But...

Having said that, the guitar I reach for each day isn't a Martin:
Bourgeois. My favorite of them all...
 

Jul 27, 2026 - 4:08:01 PM

ssduke

USA

100 posts since 2/2/2008

Depending on your budget, in addition to the one Terry linked, Martin offers this black dreadnought for $1,200.

martinguitar.com/11DC10EMODBLACK.html

Jul 28, 2026 - 1:49:38 AM

289 posts since 4/14/2024

Thanks for all the replies. I should have been a little more specific...acoustic only dreadnought, all black..my bad.
I found two but not sure if they are an upgrade or not from my Fender CD60S
Hummingbird Tribute acoustic
sweetwater.com/store/detail/EH...tar-ebony
and this:
Baton Rouge X15S/D-B
thomannmusic.com/baton_rouge_x15s_d_b.htm
Anybody know anything about either one?

Jul 28, 2026 - 3:04:36 AM

406 posts since 2/7/2020

quote:
Originally posted by Patrick1962

Thanks for all the replies. I should have been a little more specific...acoustic only dreadnought, all black..my bad.
I found two but not sure if they are an upgrade or not from my Fender CD60S
Hummingbird Tribute acoustic
sweetwater.com/store/detail/EH...tar-ebony
and this:
Baton Rouge X15S/D-B
thomannmusic.com/baton_rouge_x15s_d_b.htm
Anybody know anything about either one?


The Hummingbird tribute has a laminated ("layered") top, so it's probably not much of an upgrade. 

I've never heard of the Baton Rouge brand.

Do you have a budget in mind? Both of those guitars are under $300. In that range the only guitar I would consider taking to a bluegrass jam is the Yamaha FG800, but it doesn't come in black. For a little more I really like Blueridge laminated-back models (but they're also not black).

Jul 28, 2026 - 3:22:35 AM

406 posts since 2/7/2020

I misspoke. I would look out for one of these:

 

Jul 28, 2026 - 9:33:26 PM

82263 posts since 5/9/2007

Get a good guitar and paint it black.

Jul 29, 2026 - 6:47:31 AM

3202 posts since 4/16/2003

Have you considered a "black" guitar constructed of carbon fiber?
Such as a Rainsong?

Jul 30, 2026 - 5:35:01 AM

289 posts since 4/14/2024

John..you mean like the HPL Johnny Cash guitar?

Jul 31, 2026 - 6:38:57 AM

3202 posts since 4/16/2003

"you mean like the HPL Johnny Cash guitar?"

I don't mean a "wooden guitar" painted black.
I DO mean a guitar built out of carbon fiber.
Look at Rainsong and [I think the name is] "CA" or Composite Acoustics -- the makers of the guitar Tim Stafford of Blue Highway used on the road...

Aug 2, 2026 - 5:51:52 AM

289 posts since 4/14/2024

John..Ive heard of those but never heard one before..will look into it although, tbh, Im inclined to think that it would be difficult for it to have the same tonal qualities as wood...but I'll check it out nonetheless.

However I did find something interesting that I didn't know...apparently if a guitar has something other than bone nut and saddle these can be had relatively cheaply and from what I understand improves the tone etc considerably....cool, right? Are there any other things like this that can be done that improves a guitar without it costing almost as much as the guitar itself?

Aug 3, 2026 - 7:24:07 AM

82263 posts since 5/9/2007

I changed my mahogany Silver Creek dread's bone nut and saddle to "TUSQ" and improved its tone and projection.

Aug 3, 2026 - 6:24:26 PM

289 posts since 4/14/2024

Steve, Ive heard of that before..so TUSQ is better than bone? Interesting...

Aug 4, 2026 - 10:45:51 AM

3795 posts since 4/19/2008

My test for a good bluegrass guitar is to vocalize a low hum gliding the voice down lower and lower into the sound hole and if it resonates the body of the guitar from the sixth string, second fret, which is F sharp or first fret, F, it’s going to be suitable no matter what name or type of wood it’s built out of.

Aug 4, 2026 - 1:54:07 PM

82263 posts since 5/9/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Patrick1962

Steve, Ive heard of that before..so TUSQ is better than bone? Interesting...


I think Martin started using TUSQ a few years ago.

I noticed a very nice difference on my Martin clones.They came with all solid woods,forward shifted X bracing and scalloped braces.

Edited by - steve davis on 08/04/2026 13:54:40

Aug 6, 2026 - 5:49:40 AM

289 posts since 4/14/2024

Wonder if anyone has taken a guitar and compared the sound between TUSQ and bone using the same guitar, strings etc...not that I would be able to tell the difference but there's a lot of people on this site who could

Aug 6, 2026 - 7:28:49 AM

2927 posts since 2/9/2007

The material the nut is made of (as long as it's of similar density and hardness to bone) ought not to make as much difference to the tone as does how well the nut is fitted to the instrument, and even that will be negligible, unless the rest of the instrument is exceptionally responsive and resonant.

There aren't near as many effective DIY tone tweaks possible on a guitar as you have on a banjo, but the material and fit of the bridge saddle is one I'd look at before changing the nut, and even more important is the angle at which the strings cross that saddle:

youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Ar8H-yMSg

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