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pick1936 - Posted - 10/09/2008: 16:35:59
I hate to keep posting so much,, BUT I can't control Myself, I was going to K.C, Mo. to a weekly jam, but have a bad sore throat, I honetly thinks that people who think Nechville banjo's are not tradtinal enough,, just have never seen, or played one? Whats not to like about a quality banjo, That You can change,, or tension heads in 7 or 8 Min. Remove neck, in seconds,, Adjust the string action to fit almost any bridge height, and still have low action,, every adjustment, can be made so fast, You need to try it to beleave it,, No other banjo can do the things, a Nechville can,, plus You can get any sound You want,, bluegrass or otherwise, and for looks My Calssic Deluxe curly maple, with diamond, and wings, looks about as traditional as any banjo. (Cyclotronic tone ring system),, ( compound radiused finger board), extra big frets which are (FABULOUS) One guy at a festival, wanted to trade even up, His Deering Calico,, It was nice but not as nice as My Classic.,, I know Tom was wanting to know why more people didn't talk much about Nechville's on the H.O.,, plus talk about what people DIDN"T like about them,, I really can't think of anything I dont like about Nechville's,,, I think that the real problem is, not very many people have ever heard,, or played a Nechville, That will change when people wake up... NOTE,,, I don't work for Tom,, but I want Him to keep building these nice banjo's Because I will probably want to buy another in the future...
Nechville In Higginsville.
pick the banjer son.
Lee Kelso
Edited by - pick1936 on 10/09/2008 16:40:50
Davidprat - Posted - 10/10/2008: 02:21:17
As everybody knows Nechville banjos are not traditional, the most of the players that plays Nechville are non traditional players, people that are more interested in the Newgrass and other stuff than just traditional Bluegrass. Here in Spain there are some Nechville banjo players, Lluis Gomez is a great non traditional Spanish banjo player that plays a Nechville banjo.
Nechville banjos sounds great and play amazing, I had the chance to play several of them and with a good set up, better if is done by Tom , is almost possible to have any kind of sound, traditional or non traditional.The only sound that I haven’t heard on a Nechville is the tone of an Archtop as the ones played by Doug Dillar.
As a clawhammer Banjo player I feel that Nechville needs to pay more attention on the Open back banjos. I know that the most of builders that are focus on the bluegrass banjos rarely pay attention on the clawhammer players. Now a days there are more and more people playing old time music, and a lot of bands that plays OT with a R&R feeling so it will be great to see an Open back made by Nechville that fits their needs.
David Prat
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R Fox - Posted - 10/10/2008: 05:58:05
I've owned a mahogany Nechville Classic with cyclotronic system for almost 2 years - I HAVE NO REASON TO EVER BUY ANOTHER BANJO, AS I KNOW OF NOTHING OFFERED BY ANY OTHER BRAND THAT COULD BE BETTER THAN MY NECHVILLE. Now, I may buy another banjo for collection purposes, but that would be all. The design of Tom's instruments are very different, but absolutely so engineering smart. Plus, I've met Tom at Hatfield's camp, and I've dealt with Al by phone and email, and their service is first class all the way.
NUFF SAID! Ross, Dalton, GA
Ross Fox
style 6 - Posted - 10/10/2008: 10:46:42
Hi David
Tom Nechville does make open back Banjos, Check his website
Richard
renopker - Posted - 10/10/2008: 12:38:40
Hi Tom I'm waiting for test one so I can endorse them,kidding of corse Ron.
chrome - Posted - 10/10/2008: 13:44:43
Where can you go play one? I've been around alot of players and go to a lot of music stores and I've never seen one for sale. All the music store have anymore are el cheapos because they don't sale many and a high dollar ones set unbought so they don't stock them anymore. I know I can go to banjo.com or janets but it's hard to justify the trip.
style 6 - Posted - 10/10/2008: 14:25:30
Hi Gene
Contact Tom Nechville, He can probably put you in contact with someone in your area that plays a Nechville.
Email nechville.com Tom will try to help you.
Richard
Nechville rep UK
slowroll - Posted - 10/10/2008: 14:59:33
I think Nechvilles look awesome and I am an interested potential customer. The drawbacks to me are:
-- No dealers in my area (Denver) so it hasn't been possible to test drive one. Hard to justify the expense without trying one out first.
-- Street price on a Classic D-lux is at least 3.3K, which is $1300 or so higher than a new US made instrument like a Deering Sierra, Sullivan Festival, etc. I realize it's an apples to oranges comparison, but at my skill level I'm not sure I can rationalize the additional cost (I am definitely willing to try!)
-- Very little selection of used instruments as a way in... there's only one in the BHO classifieds and it's in the UK! This isn't Nechville's fault, just another challenge to becoming an owner.
Larry
BC Bill - Posted - 10/10/2008: 16:24:02
Tom,
You wanted a skeptic, here I am. I had you build me a Banjo/Dobro a number of years ago. I think you charged me around $4500. It was horrible. It had no volume and was nearly impossible to play. I took it to a master luthier here in Canada and he could not believe the poor quality and design. He managed to make it playable and I was able to trade it off for a $1500 mandolin and was thankful to get that back. I have never been so disappointed in an instrument in my life. I got the feeling that you just gave up on it and sent me what you had.
Obviously, given the positive responses here, others have had a very different experience with your instruments. But, mine was not good,
Bill
email me at lakeside.productions@gmail.com
Edited by - BC Bill on 10/10/2008 16:34:22
jbanjoist - Posted - 10/10/2008: 18:31:46
A banjo dobro? That just plain sounds like a mess to start with.
A banjo neck on a dobro body? A dobro neck on a banjo body?
I shudder to think of it.
Jbanjoist
I''m a NECHVILLIAN!
fitch5string - Posted - 10/10/2008: 19:04:34
I say bravo to your designs! They are brilliant in everyway. There is definetly a market for something different. Your necks have a great feel to them and I like the way they adjust. I think if you made the Heli-mount a little more tradtional looking, narrower bars on the frame, it might appeal to more players. If you are coming up on #1000, I think think you need any advice from me or anyone else here : )
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Davidprat - Posted - 10/11/2008: 02:23:12
Hi Richard,
I know that Nechville also make open back banjos,The Moonshine, sorry my English is not good enough and I haven't explain properly what I wanted to say.
I think that the moonshine is a good banjo but for me doesn't looks as good as the other Nechvilles and the price is a bit high for an open back banjos,1400$ starting price, for 1000$ is possible to have an great open back made by some of the best Old time Banjo makers.
I'd love to have a Nechville because are really great banjos and Tom is a great guy but as a clawhammer player there are no Nechville that fits my needs and budget.
David Prat
myspace.com/davidprat
songslide.com/ArtistDetail.asp...istID=337
Edited by - Davidprat on 10/11/2008 02:25:25
Bernie P. - Posted - 10/11/2008: 04:09:17
Hi Tom,I've never seen one of your banjos in person but they did get my attention when I saw Bela playing the Meteor on his Live at the Quick dvd.Also I read Al Worthen's IBMA report over at his Mtn.Music site saying he's considering adding your line to his store near where I live.Hey if they get Al's seal of approval you folks certainly have something on the ball.He's very particular about the products he sells.Good luck!
vfont - Posted - 10/11/2008: 07:07:43
I like the sound that comes from my Nechville Classic Deluxe. The engineering is top notch. My daughter is using it now to learn how to play banjo. I personally prefer my Stelling for it's neck. I'm also a tinkerer. The Nechville design doesn't allow for tinkering. You can't use a Fults tailpiece on it and I think it would be great if you could change out the tonering to a Dannick, Thunderbolt, or Burlile. The design doesn't seem to allow for it.
Victor
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pick1936 - Posted - 10/11/2008: 10:00:00
You could use a Kirshner style if You wanted to, BUT The nechville tail piece works very good,, If You talk to Tom,, He could probably put in any kind of ring You want? not sure You could call Him,, Myself, I don't think any of those rings You mentioned would be any better than Tom's, Mine sounds as good, or better than any I have tried before..
Nechville.In Higginsville
pick the banjer son.
Lee Kelso
jbanjoist - Posted - 10/11/2008: 12:43:59
V Maybe you need to get to a TA (tinkerers anonymous) meeting and take the pledge.
Nechville's don't need tinkering.:-)
Maybe change out the bridge if you like. I got Silvio to make a real nice radiused 3rd string compensated 11/16 bridge for my Vintage and a another 11/16 compensated bridge for my flat boarded Nechville.
The tailpieces are top notch. i think it may be possible to change out tone rings but I've not heard of anyone being unhappy with the stock rings.
Jbanjoist
I''m a NECHVILLIAN!
McIntosh - Posted - 10/11/2008: 13:29:14
I'm a proud owner on a Nechville. I love it. ITs so easy to work on, set-up, and adjust the neck its unreal. For the traditionalists out there, I"m with you. I like a banjo with some crack, and a good pre-war tone. That being said My nechville is a bit of a custom, but it has great crack, and its just full of tone. If you don't think that you can get "Traditional" tone from a Nechville, I challenge you to go and play a few of their banjos. Then ask tom about mine, and I"ll bet that he changes your mind. Anyone interested in hearing my banjo, or playing it need just e-mail me.
Adam
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chrome - Posted - 10/11/2008: 13:48:47
I made an earlier post about not ever seeing one nor able to play one. One note here, I'm not a tinkier or a luther but trust me I know the fretboard. With that said and you were looking for some critics, The only thing I got to go buy are pics and utube vids. Not ever seeing one in person the hooks to the head looks like diecast to me and a little cheesy. But I'm sure it works well. Not picking on the brand or you, You ask and I'm giving you an honest answer. The best....Gene
Guy - Posted - 10/11/2008: 14:12:55
Believe me, there's nothing cheesy about a Nechville!!!
Guy
You hum it son, I''ll play it!
salmagundi.me.uk
chrome - Posted - 10/11/2008: 14:33:00
Hi Guy, I'm sure it's not, Just giving an honest answer to a honest question.
androo - Posted - 10/11/2008: 17:16:23
quote:
Originally posted by Tobes
Hello Tom,
Hope you are well. Just picking up on Guys thread. It is interesting how Nechvilles have taken off in the UK. The British bluegrass community is fairly small (well relatively to the states). One thought just struck me. Last year Noam Pikelny taught at Sore Fingers Bluegrass Camp - he had his Nextar with him - There were fifteen of us in the class and of the fifteen one had a Nechville already (Lluis Gomez). One year on and an additional five students now own Nechville banjos (me included). That is over 30 per cent of the class! That is a fairly amazing. I have never seen that happen with Stelling or Gibson.
But why did that happen? I think the thing that got me first was tone and playability. The Helimount and neck adjuster are great features and makes set up a breeze, but in many respects I think that the hook that will get most players is when they actually pick one up and play it. The more I looked at the design though the more I love it. I think that the problem is that until you have played one the design will almost scare people off - the fear of the unknown. The masterclone has for years been 'the' banjo design and many people are inherently traditionalists.
Anyway, hope you can make it back over to the UK soon for another EUNOC Nechville Jam.
take care
Tobes
jbanjoist - Posted - 10/11/2008: 18:51:16
The design is stronger than the norm, not needing all those hooks, nuts, coordinator rods, and such, and naturally if anything failed, which it won't, Tom would take care of it.
Jbanjoist
I''m a NECHVILLIAN!
Tobes - Posted - 10/12/2008: 01:14:50
Androo
I guessed you had bought that banjo. I was really suprised he sold it - it is a great sounding banjo. I think if he had offered it for sale while at Sore Fingers there would of been a fight to buy it.
Tobes
Guy - Posted - 10/12/2008: 07:32:02
quote:
Originally posted by chrome
Hi Guy, I'm sure it's not, Just giving an honest answer to a honest question.
jgwoods - Posted - 10/12/2008: 08:14:08
[/quote]
Hi Gene, ...
Tom will also fit a Tony Pass lost Timbre rim if you like.
Guy
You hum it son, I''ll play it!
salmagundi.me.uk
[/quote]
A Tony Pass rim? Nechvilles don't really have rims. There's a cast pot/rim/brackets/heli mount, and the head, tone ring, threaded heli-mount segment.
no rim/pot as in traditional style...
Does Tony Pass make a Lost Timber Wood tone ring for them?
Be yourself- everyone else is taken
jgwoods - Posted - 10/12/2008: 08:17:42
Now that I look at the BG banjo contruction I see the "rim"- under the tone ring. My Nechville Moonshine had one piece there, not a rim under a tone ring, just a wooden ring.
I get it. I think I know what Tony Pass is making
Be yourself- everyone else is taken
Guy - Posted - 10/12/2008: 09:42:56
Nechville's do have a wooden rim, under the tone ring and that is what I'm referring to. Isn't the Moonshine Tom's version of a clawhammer banjo? That may well be constructed differently.
Guy
You hum it son, I''ll play it!
salmagundi.me.uk
alprice - Posted - 10/12/2008: 09:51:06
I have a Tony Pass Lost Timbre rim in my Vintage. Love it.
Al
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alprice - Posted - 10/12/2008: 09:51:37
I have a Tony Pass Lost Timbre rim in my Vintage. Love it.
Al
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nechville - Posted - 10/12/2008: 12:14:17
Hi, I'm glad for all you who know the story and help keep people informed of the facts about these banjos. A few comments and corrections,
First, We are working on a more expansive dealer network, but we need dealers who'll take the extra time needed to explain Nechvilles because they are so different. In order to understand it, you have to first understand traditional designs, and some people just don't think about banjos from the inside out. Anyway, while we are seeking qualified dealers, we want everyone to know that we will sell direct, and we will allow you 10 days to evaluate the banjo before you commit to keeping it. You only risk shipping charges, and a credit card fee if you pay that way. Hey, someone mentioned the Helimount having thinner ribs, to get a more traditional look, Well I am doing that in the new moonshine frame. (I'm still in the tooling stage) I have a revived interest in the open back, and plan to be more serious about offering some nice options for open back players in 2009. A note on tailpieces, not to detract from the nice craftsmanship of other tailpieces, I prefer the simplicity and relative lightness of the Nechville one, and I don't find too many reasons why one would find a benefit to what I consider over-engineering. And confirming, Yes, any tone ring can be installed in a Nechville, many are directly interchangeable, and some may require a slight rim modification, which we can do for you. Another minor clarification, The Helimount is Sand cast, not die cast, It is a high quality, low volume method. As a reminder for those who may be new to Nechville, There are no coordinator rods and it's interesting to note while the instrument may be fully strung up and tuned, it's possible to switch among one-piece rim/tone rings, 3 ply maple rims and Traditional bronze rings, block rims, Old time rings, or a variety of lighter weight materials that we are starting to explore. Since several new ideas are not yet proven out, I'm being cautious about marketing the newest components through dealers so soon. Each sale of a prototype tone component comes with the option to trade back for a tried and proven rim and tone ring. We are looking for players as test participants to help us refine our offerings for tomorrow. You can contact me privately if you are interested. tom@nechville.com
Regarding Noam's banjo, He had 2 Nextars and only sold one, He and I are still working closely on new Flux attached necks for his old top tensions. Cheers, Tom
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chrome - Posted - 10/12/2008: 13:34:50
Thanks Tom, It only makes me want to try one. I live about 30 miles west of charlotte,nc. If you know of a dealer that I can go see one and play within a couple hours drive I would love to wring one out.
PS, Being an enigineer myself I love new ideas and different approaches to time tested products.
jbanjoist - Posted - 10/12/2008: 16:53:15
If you are ever up my way, near the VA NC line around Kerr Lake you can try my 2.
I am about an hour north of Durham NC. I work in Oxford NC which is 30 minutes north of Durham right off Interstate 85.
There may be an owner closer to you though. Maybe Tom knows one.
Jbanjoist
I''m a NECHVILLIAN!
nechville - Posted - 10/12/2008: 19:59:58
Since I have a problem with not enough dealers, I'm thinking of planning a trip to make house calls, Heck If I can sell a few banjos and hit a few dealers along the way, it's worth the trip. T.E.N.
Banjo Revolution REV IT UP!
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jgwoods - Posted - 10/13/2008: 10:47:10
I'll buy you lunch, give you a place to stay, but you gotta brings at least 2 new Moonshine openbacks...
Be yourself- everyone else is taken
CFR - Posted - 10/13/2008: 14:03:19
I mostly lurk here, but I wanted to point out another one of Tom’s innovative designs. I have a Nechville Nuvo. The neck has the capo built in, so retuning is easy and fast. This is especially useful at Irish sessions where key changes are the norm. I primarily play clawhammer and with D-tuners installed on the 2nd and 4th strings, I am able to switch keys within a medley. I know of no other banjo that allows such flexibility.
Hillbilly Gypsies - Posted - 10/13/2008: 21:50:44
quote:
Originally posted by jbanjoist
Tom some people just will not give them a chance because they want something "traditional".
I once thought that way until I heard Jim Pankey play his and learned how simple they are to set up.
I now have 2 and the only other banjo I intend to have is a Phantom.
The traditionalists don't know what they are missing.
Well I know what they are missing,
perfectly even head tension
the ability to use most any height bridge without modifying the neck
light weight
a great straight line design very adjustable tailpiece
the ability to set up the sound for bluegrass or any other music for that matter
the ability to change a head in minutes without taking off the strings
stays in tune better than any traditional banjo
a superior neck, very playable
great tone and volume
ETC...
Not just a banjo but a fine musical instrument!
Eventually people's minds will open to the possiblitys of something other than the same stale design but we in the banjo world are just barely getting over the old "only a Gibson is good enough" mentality.
It will happen.
Keep up the good work.
Jbanjoist
I''m a NECHVILLIAN!
Edited by - Hillbilly Gypsies on 10/13/2008 21:55:27
pick1936 - Posted - 10/14/2008: 18:56:47
You know, I finally have found one fault with My Nechville, When I go to a jam every week, I don't have to clip on My tunner, like most others do, I have never had a banjo stay in tune so good as The Nechville,, guess by now You can tell I like Mine.
Nechville. In Higginsville.
pick the banjer son.
Lee Kelso
Edited by - pick1936 on 10/15/2008 11:39:39
jgwoods - Posted - 10/15/2008: 03:15:15
That's funny- the aluminum pot assembly expands and contracts making the tuning wander quite a bit. I take mine outof thecase and it's cold- play for 5 minutes and it gets warm- and goes sharp. Put it down for 5 minutes and it goes flat.
I have seen few banjos that vary as much as a Nechville when it comes to staying in tune. It's one of the reasons i sold mine.
Be yourself- everyone else is taken
NYCJazz - Posted - 10/15/2008: 07:34:48
I got a chance to check out Eddy Davis' tenor Nechville.
I was skeptical at first, but it sounded great, and the construction is amazing!
Thanks for bringing something new to the table... I hope to be ordering a plectrum model soon!
Friends don''t let friends convert jazz banjos.
pick1936 - Posted - 10/15/2008: 11:54:28
Hey Joe,, You must have something not adjusted right,, Mine stays in tune better than any banjo I ever owned, I can tune mine, drive 45 min, to a jam every Thurs. night, take it out, It's in tune,, usually play for three hours, I dont ever capo, Put in the case, drive home and usually leave it sit till the next Thur. night, drive back 45 min. and ready to play again, I practice during the week,, with another banjo, so as to keep the DR. strings on the Nechville ready,, I dont like to change string very often,, anyway The Nechville stays in tune better than any other banjo I have ever owned.
Nechville. In Higginsville.
and pick the banjer boys, and girls.
Lee Kelso
jbanjoist - Posted - 10/15/2008: 16:41:27
I second what Lee said.
My 2 Nechvilles stay in tune better than any traditional banjo I have had. I am pretty sure the majority of Nechville owners will agree.
Jbanjoist
I''m a NECHVILLIAN!
jgwoods - Posted - 10/15/2008: 17:43:11
My Moonshine was an excellent banjo with a few faults I consider inherent to the design. Tom is apparently making a bunch of changes to the model for 2009 and will re-introduce it.
Maybe your BG Nechvilles stayed in tune- my clawhammer Nechville didn't.
Franlkkly if you consider the expansion rate of aluminum I find it odd that anyones aluiminum pot banjo stays in tune. as it goes from coll to warm the pot expands and the bridge winds up a few thousandths of an inch further from the nut- thus it goes sharp.
Be yourself- everyone else is taken
Guy - Posted - 10/16/2008: 03:44:36
I don't know much about physics or chemistry, I'm much more interested in making and playing music, I'm also from the UK which is well known for it's temperate climate so changes in temperature and humidity are something we have to deal with on a daily basis. I have never noticed any out of the ordinary tuning problems with my banjo. You may also like to know that I can tune an instrument to concert pitch without the aid of a tuner, so I don't think you can accuse me of being tone deaf either.
I will say, I know little or nothing about clawhammer banjos and I also know little or nothing about Tom's Moonshine banjos so I cannot comment. I do know the bluegrass banjos are a heavier construction so
maybe they stand up better to temperature changes.
There are quite a few world class banjo players endorsing Nechville's, they include players in the UK, America and Spain. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be the case if they experienced the level of tuning problems hinted at here.
Guy
You hum it son, I''ll play it!
salmagundi.me.uk
jgwoods - Posted - 10/16/2008: 04:12:44
Now you're accusing me of hinting?![]()
Nope.
The problem was easily observed on a 50 degree day. They have them in the U.K. if I recall right.
I can tune to concert pitch, or any other pitch without a tuner- but I sure like'em. They make the world much more in tune, well, except fiddles.
enjoy,
jgwoods
Be yourself- everyone else is taken
Guy - Posted - 10/16/2008: 04:33:06
Surely we're talking relative temperatures rather than a specific ones? Temperatures in the UK can vary significantly during the course of a day and indoor and out of doors variations are even worse, that is why we British are always talking about the weather, it's a national passtime.
Also, I would ascribe my ability to tune without a tuner to my having used one repeatedly over the last two decades, I only found out I had the ability when I took all the strings off my guitar to replace them and realised I'd lost my tuner.
I strongly encourage the use of tuners amongst my students but I like them to use their ears too. Tuners aren't always right.
Guy
You hum it son, I''ll play it!
salmagundi.me.uk
saltcreek - Posted - 10/16/2008: 11:57:16
I own allot of banjos, and every time I play one of yours I wonder why I own so many, they don't get any better, superb in every way, I love it.
Tony
Edited by - saltcreek on 10/16/2008 11:58:24
Daniel_Fields - Posted - 10/16/2008: 12:52:35
Personally, I've never played a Nechville I liked and I think they're ugly too!
Sorry, I mean the build quality is pretty good and the necks are comfortable for sure, I just don't like the tone of them. To my ears they sound almost clinical, like the soul is missing from them. Can't quite put my finger on what it is....
I did hear one once with a Huber ring in it though which sounded fairly good. I could have lived with it anyway....as long as I didn't have to LOOK at the thing!!
I'm always willing to have my opinion changed though, so if I DO play one that I fall in love with, I'll come back here and revise my opinion!!
Daniel
jbanjoist - Posted - 10/16/2008: 15:27:00
hmmmmm 4 pages and only 2 people that had somewhat negative opinions.
I'd say that's a pretty good record.
Jbanjoist
I''m a NECHVILLIAN!
pick1936 - Posted - 10/16/2008: 19:28:51
Man if They are that ugly, I better not open My case again, Course I'm Joking, Every time I pick up My calssic, I admire the simple good looks of it frame and all, Then I Look at the beautifull Radiused neck,, Nice BIG frets, which I love, The inlay on the neck and peg head are fabulous,, Then I turn it over and look at the highly figured Neck,, and resonator,, BUT the best part of all, is when I start pickin, GREAT sound,, and the playabiliy on My arthritic hands, I f I ever buy another banjo, It will be another Nechville,, I could use two, dont need two,, but I'd like a second one,, next month I get to play a medley of some good old hymns at My church,, I am one happy old man.
Nechville. In Higginsville.
pick the banjer son.
Lee Kelso
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